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Публикувано: **вт авг 14, 2007 5:36 am**

How does the recycling function supposed to work? For example, if you send your fleet to go on a recycle mission, do they have to fight like a regular attack if there are ships on the targeted planet? Are the Recyclers (or all ships in the fleet) considered or treated as Field Fighters since they are pirating the recycled resources? And if so, do they challenge Field Fighters? From other posts (which are very unclear), it appears that only 50% of all the planet's resources are collected -- so on a recycle mission, is that 50% of ALL the resouces on the planet or ONLY the ones noted as recycled when the planet's number is red?

Then comes the Recycler ship, is its function only to recycle (since its power and structure is low, it seems like it wouldn't stand much chance in a battle). Is there any other use of this ship?

Then regarding the resources collected, since other posts mention that you collect only what your ships can hold (which appears obvious of course), does that mean all metal up to 50% from the planet, then all crystals up to 50%, then all gas up to 50% -- in that order -- assuming you still have capacity by then to hold it all? If so, can Cargo and Mega Cargo ships go on recycle missions or is such limited to the Recycler ships?

Finally, can you recycle your own resources (I guess if you lose a battle) from your own planet? If so, how is it done... like sending a recycle mission (or attack) to your own planet? Can you then use the Recycle ships stationed on the same planet?

Thanks for sharing insight into these matters.

PrinceCD

Публикувано: **вт авг 14, 2007 5:59 am**

PrinceCD написа:QUOTE(PrinceCD @ Aug 13 2007, 10:36 PM) How does the recycling function supposed to work? For example, if you send your fleet to go on a recycle mission, do they have to fight like a regular attack if there are ships on the targeted planet? Are the Recyclers (or all ships in the fleet) considered or treated as Field Fighters since they are pirating the recycled resources? And if so, do they challenge Field Fighters? From other posts (which are very unclear), it appears that only 50% of all the planet's resources are collected -- so on a recycle mission, is that 50% of ALL the resouces on the planet or ONLY the ones noted as recycled when the planet's number is red?

Then comes the Recycler ship, is its function only to recycle (since its power and structure is low, it seems like it wouldn't stand much chance in a battle). Is there any other use of this ship?

Then regarding the resources collected, since other posts mention that you collect only what your ships can hold (which appears obvious of course), does that mean all metal up to 50% from the planet, then all crystals up to 50%, then all gas up to 50% -- in that order -- assuming you still have capacity by then to hold it all? If so, can Cargo and Mega Cargo ships go on recycle missions or is such limited to the Recycler ships?

Finally, can you recycle your own resources (I guess if you lose a battle) from your own planet? If so, how is it done... like sending a recycle mission (or attack) to your own planet? Can you then use the Recycle ships stationed on the same planet?

Thanks for sharing insight into these matters.

PrinceCD

Публикувано: **вт авг 14, 2007 6:04 am**

Recyclers are sent on the recycle mission they do not engage in battle for the resources

They only recycle the resources in the field (the numbers in red in the galaxy menu)

They recycle all materials in the field based on the capacity of the recyclers sent starting with metal then crystal and finally gas

for example a field might have 22,000 metal 22,000 crystal and 11,000 gas

if you send 1 recycler you would get 20,000 metal
if you send 2 recyclers you would get 22,000 metal and 18,000 crystal
if you send 3 recyclers you would collect everything

Публикувано: **вт авг 14, 2007 6:41 am**

Dispatch написа:QUOTE(Dispatch @ Aug 13 2007, 11:04 PM) Recyclers are sent on the recycle mission they do not engage in battle for the resources

Howdy Dispatch and thanks for your responses. Does your comment above mean that you can recycle ANYBODY's resources or are you still limited to the 2.5 coefficient (whatever) rule? Or simply, can I get the resources from a player who's name is colored green?

Dispatch написа:QUOTE(Dispatch @ Aug 13 2007, 11:04 PM) They only recycle the resources in the field (the numbers in red in the galaxy menu)

They recycle all materials in the field based on the capacity of the recyclers sent starting with metal then crystal and finally gas

for example a field might have 22,000 metal 22,000 crystal and 11,000 gas

if you send 1 recycler you would get 20,000 metal
if you send 2 recyclers you would get 22,000 metal and 18,000 crystal
if you send 3 recyclers you would collect everything

This part is a bit confusing, you say "they only recycle the resources... (the numbers in red)" then you say "they recycle all materials in the field" -- so which is it?

And this response is incomplete only touching on some of my questions. Would someone else (if not this writer) have the rest of the details?

Thanks

PrinceCD

Публикувано: **вт авг 14, 2007 11:52 am**

PrinceCD написа:QUOTE(PrinceCD @ Aug 14 2007, 07:41 AM) Howdy Dispatch and thanks for your responses. Does your comment above mean that you can recycle ANYBODY's resources or are you still limited to the 2.5 coefficient (whatever) rule? Or simply, can I get the resources from a player who's name is colored green?

Yes you can recycle ANYBODY's resources. There is no limitation here. There are even many players that are just stealing the recycle from other player's battles.

PrinceCD написа:QUOTE(PrinceCD @ Aug 14 2007, 07:41 AM) This part is a bit confusing, you say "they only recycle the resources... (the numbers in red)" then you say "they recycle all materials in the field" -- so which is it?

With "they recycle all materials in the field" he ment, that you will get the whole pile at this coordinate.
Basicly the resources, that can be recycled are dropped as a result of a battle. So on the galactical screen you will see the exact coordinate of a planet with red, if the plannet has suffered a battle and if there were losts ships. Those are the only spots you can recycle. The amount of the resources to be recycled is between 25 and 35% of the resource cost for the lost ships. At this point if you see such red coordinate you can send a fleet at a recycle mission at this coordinate. Answering another question of you, the Recyclers and Tankers are the ONLY ships that could be send on such mission and so they are the only one that will recycle the pile.
Lets take the example from Dispatch:
"for example a field might have 22,000 metal 22,000 crystal and 11,000 gas"
You can calculate the overall of the resources: 22,000+22,000+11,000 = 55,000
This means, that you need to send a fleet from Recycles and/or Tankers with an overall cargo capacity of min. 55,000 to take it all. A single Recycler have a capacity of 20,000 and a Tanker - 40,000
So if you send 3xRecyclers OR 1xRecycler + 1xTanker OR 2 Tankers OR ... you get the point

you will have it all, IF someone else don't steal it BEFORE you.
If you send less ships, you will still get resources equal to your fleet overall cargo capacity. The resources will be gathered at this priority: 1st - Metal, 2nd Crystal nad 3rd Gas. If we assume, that you sent 2xRecyclers with overall cargo capacity of 40,000, as Dispatch already said, you will load 22,000 Metal and 18,000 Crystal. The rest 4,000 Crystal and 11,000 Gas will still be there and could be recycled from other players (you can return with anoher fleet for them also). If the whole resource on this coordinate is gathered, the coordinete will become white again, showing us, that there is no more resource to collect.

To the rest of your questions:

PrinceCD написа:QUOTE(PrinceCD @ Aug 14 2007, 07:41 AM) From other posts (which are very unclear), it appears that only 50% of all the planet's resources are collected -- so on a recycle mission, is that 50% of ALL the resouces on the planet or ONLY the ones noted as recycled when the planet's number is red?

As said above, resources can be recycled ONLY on a recycle mission AND ONLY if there is something to recycle. This has NOTHING to do with the resource, available on the planet, since those can be stolen on attack missions, and recycle missions are apparantly not attack missions

. So forget about the resources on the planet. You can recycle ONLY the resource, that has dropped as a result of a battle.

PrinceCD написа:QUOTE(PrinceCD @ Aug 14 2007, 07:41 AM) Then comes the Recycler ship, is its function only to recycle (since its power and structure is low, it seems like it wouldn't stand much chance in a battle). Is there any other use of this ship?

Basicly the Recycle ships can be sent together with other ships on attack missions, but this is highly NOT RECOOMENDED, because they take part in the fight together with the war ships (dislike Transports, which are getting hit, only if the whole rest fleet is lost) and can easily get lost. The only other real use of Recylers is to send them on attack missions on unprotected planets with lots of resources, if you lack transport ships. Anyway you should carefully do that, because the Recyclers are VERY slow and you will have to wait ages for them to return with your resource

. So better use Transport ships for that.

PrinceCD написа:QUOTE(PrinceCD @ Aug 14 2007, 07:41 AM) Finally, can you recycle your own resources (I guess if you lose a battle) from your own planet? If so, how is it done... like sending a recycle mission (or attack) to your own planet? Can you then use the Recycle ships stationed on the same planet?

Well shortly - YES, you can. But lets track one situation:
You see an attack on your planet and you have at least Spionage 8, so you see the fleet aswell. You decide that you are stronger and can defeat the enemy. You can (and must) send in this situation the Recycler ships on your planet's coordinates on a RECYCLE mission. This can be done from all your planets, even if the Recycler ships are located on the planet, beeing attacked. Anyway, it is highly possible that the attacker first sent his Recyclers because he want this resource, right? So it is possible, even if you sent your Recyclers to collect the resources, that would be first collected from the attacker. So caluclate the losts, its often wise to get away with the resources on your planet, but this is another thema to discuss

So you CAN use the recycle ships on your planet, beeing attacked, but you have to do it before the battle, else you will most probabbly loose them.

And final words: please try to understand the difference between the RECYCLE and the ATTACK missions. I can see from yor post, that its not perfectly clear for you. On attack missions you fight to steal the resources on the planet and on recycle missions you get the resource from the lost fleet (from both sides) WITHOUT having to fight for it. The resource, that can be recycled is available for all players, so everyone can get it, even without participating in the battle. This means it doesn't mater if you win or loose a battle, you can get ANY recycle field in the universe!

I hope i have answered all of your questions. Sorry for my poor english, havent spoken it since ages

Best regards
Ivaylo

Публикувано: **вт авг 14, 2007 6:27 pm**

Howdy Riffle adn thanks for your responses, which were much more complete and easier to understand (for me anyway). Yet another question came to mind before digesting all that you wrote. If I send a recycle mission, can someone attack me and wipe out my Recyclers or Cargos? Or, in other words, if I see someone coming to my planet on a recycle mission, can I challenge their ships?

Little short on time at the minute, so I'll have to re-read your note in case I have other questions. Thanks.

PrinceCD

Публикувано: **вт авг 14, 2007 9:25 pm**

PrinceCD написа:QUOTE(PrinceCD @ Aug 14 2007, 07:27 PM) Howdy Riffle adn thanks for your responses, which were much more complete and easier to understand (for me anyway). Yet another question came to mind before digesting all that you wrote. If I send a recycle mission, can someone attack me and wipe out my Recyclers or Cargos? Or, in other words, if I see someone coming to my planet on a recycle mission, can I challenge their ships?

Little short on time at the minute, so I'll have to re-read your note in case I have other questions. Thanks.

PrinceCD

I am glad i can help

First of all, as i said above, fleets, sent on recycle missions cannot participate in battles and thus they can't be seen. In other words you won't see, if the enemy/attacker has or has not sent a recycle fleet on your planet's coordinates. This means that there is no way to encounter recycle missions. The only way is to be faster than the enemy and take it all for yourself.

Remember - recycle fleet don't have anything to do with a certain planet, they go and recycle what's "around" the planet.

And another note: lets say you want to attack someone. You DON'T have to wait for the attack to happen, so a recycle pile drops. 1st you have to calculate the possible size of the resources, that could be recycled after the battle. 2nd you have to see how much time your attack fleet needs to go there, but you still don't send the fleet. After that you can send your recycle fleet on the coodinates, where you want to attack, see how long thay need, and send the attack so, that it arrieve shortly BEFORE the recycle fllet gets there. I'll provide an example:

Lets say you want to attack someone at 1:2:3 and you are at 2:3:4. You spy the guy and see, that he has 10 Guardians. They cost each 20K Metal and 7K Crystal. That makes together 200K Metal and 70K Crystal, or together 270K Resource. Lets assume, that you have a very strong fleet and you won't loose any ships. The maximum amount to be recycled here will be 35% * 270,000 = 94,500. So you will need (for example) 5xRecyclers. You set an attack mission with the ships you like to attack with and on the 2nd screen you give the desired coordinates 1:2:3. You see that the flight will take 30 min. You DON'T SEND the attack yet. Now you go back to the fleet menu and set a recycle mission with 5xRecyclers. In the second screen you enter 1:2:3 as a coordinate and see that they will be there in 50 min. You SEND now the recycle fleet. Now back to the fleet menu. We have a time window of 20 min, right. Now you have 3 possible ways to go. If you expect, that the defender can be back soon, you can send the attack fleet now on 100% speed and hope that in those 20 minutes there will be noone to steal your recycle pile (anyone can get it, remember

). The second way is to wait like 15 min and than send the attack fleet on 100% speed, so it will be there 5 min before the recycle fleet. There is noone who can arrange a recycle fleet and steal your pile in 5 min! And the 3rd way is, if you afraid you can forget or sth, to send the attack fleet now, but you lower the speed (like 80%) so it will be slower and will arrive again like 5-6 min before the recycle fleet. This is good because lowering the speed will reduce the gas consume of the fleet, but in the other hand you will have to wait longer for it to return as it will return on 80% too..

This was a bit off topic, but its well to understand the basic idea of arranging attack fleets and successfully recycling the field after the battle. Most important is to watch that the attack fleet arrive at all cost BEFORE the recycle fleet. Else they will recycle nothing and the pile will be available for all after the fight.

Hope this helps!

Best regards,
Ivaylo

Публикувано: **ср авг 15, 2007 3:12 am**

Howdy again Ivaylo and thanks for adding more info and the example in your reply. Your explanations indicate that you have a good understanding of the game and a great willingness to to help other players. Plus the strategy is an added bonus and I really appreciate your responses.

Now on to some additional questions. First your examples seem to indicate that you can get ALL of the resources on a recycling mission instead of just 50% as in an attack mission. Is this a correct understanding?

Next, you mentioned "the only other real use of Recyclers is to send them on attack missions on unprotected planets with lots of resources, if you lack transport ships." Would transport ships be the same as Cargo and Mega Cargo ships or which Universe has the transport ships?

Next, you mentioned "you CAN use the recycle ships on your planet..." So if this works, could I send the fleet stationed on HomePlanet 1 to HomePlanet 1 on a recycle mission or do I have to move/station the Recycling ships to another planet (like Colony1 for example) and then send them from Colony1 to HomePlanet on a recycling mission?

And last (at this time anyway) after reading your excellent strategy, you mentioned sending Recycling ships on a separate recycle mission and timing their arrival shortly AFTER the attack mission to gain maximum resources. If I send Recyling ships WITH an attack mission, would they be able to recycle also after the battle (assuming there was cargo capacity left) or would they only serve as cargo holds for their share of the 50% attacking bounty?

Thanks again for your kindness in helping me (and other players) gain understanding of recycling.

PrinceCD

Публикувано: **ср авг 15, 2007 8:07 am**

PrinceCD написа:QUOTE(PrinceCD @ Aug 15 2007, 04:12 AM) Howdy again Ivaylo and thanks for adding more info and the example in your reply. Your explanations indicate that you have a good understanding of the game and a great willingness to to help other players. Plus the strategy is an added bonus and I really appreciate your responses.

Glad i can help

PrinceCD написа:QUOTE(PrinceCD @ Aug 15 2007, 04:12 AM) Now on to some additional questions. First your examples seem to indicate that you can get ALL of the resources on a recycling mission instead of just 50% as in an attack mission. Is this a correct understanding?

Yes, that's correct. The only limitation by recycling is the cargo capacity of your recycle ships.

PrinceCD написа:QUOTE(PrinceCD @ Aug 15 2007, 04:12 AM) Next, you mentioned "the only other real use of Recyclers is to send them on attack missions on unprotected planets with lots of resources, if you lack transport ships." Would transport ships be the same as Cargo and Mega Cargo ships or which Universe has the transport ships?

I play the game in Bulgarian, so it is possible that I misspell or even completely use a wrong name for stuff related with Bulfleet. This is the case here. There are no Transporters (only in my imagination

). In all universes the only "transport" ships are the Cargo ship and the Mega Cargo ship. I am sorry for my mistake. BTW i play in Universe 3

PrinceCD написа:QUOTE(PrinceCD @ Aug 15 2007, 04:12 AM) Next, you mentioned "you CAN use the recycle ships on your planet..." So if this works, could I send the fleet stationed on HomePlanet 1 to HomePlanet 1 on a recycle mission or do I have to move/station the Recycling ships to another planet (like Colony1 for example) and then send them from Colony1 to HomePlanet on a recycling mission?

No, this is not needed. Assuming that your ships are on HomePlanet1 which is also being attacked and you can arrange a recycling mission with the recycling ships at HomePlanet1 and send them on recycle mission on the same coordinates.

PrinceCD написа:QUOTE(PrinceCD @ Aug 15 2007, 04:12 AM) And last (at this time anyway) after reading your excellent strategy, you mentioned sending Recycling ships on a separate recycle mission and timing their arrival shortly AFTER the attack mission to gain maximum resources. If I send Recycling ships WITH an attack mission, would they be able to recycle also after the battle (assuming there was cargo capacity left) or would they only serve as cargo holds for their share of the 50% attacking bounty?

No. As I mentioned in the posts above, If you send Recycling ships with others on attack mission they will be used like the Cargo ships, with the difference, that they will participate in the battle like the war ships and thus its very possible that you will loose them. The only possible way to recycle a pile is with an recycling mission.

PrinceCD написа:QUOTE(PrinceCD @ Aug 15 2007, 04:12 AM) Thanks again for your kindness in helping me (and other players) gain understanding of recycling.

PrinceCD

You are welcome

Best regards,
Ivaylo

Публикувано: **ср авг 15, 2007 8:54 am**

Dont you just hate it when people Rip posts apart like that :D